In Progress Resident Evil: Survive - OPENBOR Game 3
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congratz man, great update,
The only thing that bothers me is the alignment of the walk and run animations of all characters and enemies, it's not really a bug, but it seems strange to me.
My suggestion is to always align the heads on the same x-axis, here's a demonstration of CINDY's walk and run animations if you want to test it:
The only thing that bothers me is the alignment of the walk and run animations of all characters and enemies, it's not really a bug, but it seems strange to me.
My suggestion is to always align the heads on the same x-axis, here's a demonstration of CINDY's walk and run animations if you want to test it:
Psykai
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I haven't gotten around to playing fully yet, but something I (and probably many others) would appreciate is for in the controls settings, Attack 1, Attack 2, Attack 3 and Attack 4 to be renamed to what they actually do (Melee, Weapon, H.Weapon, etc.) It's frustrating to set controls not having a clue what they do only to go in game and find out they're not remotely how you'd want them lol.
I might be crazy but in the brief test of controls I did, it seemed the character loses health when they use their melee attack now. I don't remember it being like that in previous builds? Breakout attack I expect to lose a little health, but not the melee. I may just be misremembering.
But yeah those are just some quality of life things. I'll try to actually do a full playthrough ASAP
Congrats on the release in the meantime! Things seem to be coming along great.
Is Sheva still in the plans to be playable btw? It seemed from previous posts like the roster plans might've changed a bit.
EDIT (Didn't want to double post):
I have played some more. I didn't finish it as I rage/bored-quit on the same place as the last demo. Whilst I definitely like the game a little, it IS still plagued with a lot of my pet peeves and things that, for me, separate a GOOD beat 'em from a GREAT beat 'em up. Before I get into any bullet points though, I'll explain where I rage/bored-quit; the plant boss with the number in it's name (I think it was 41 or 48 or something). Whilst I appreciate the novelty of a boss having to expose a weak point to hit it, it just doesn't feel like it works here. It only exposes itself (rude.... xD) after a specific attack, which it used maybe twice in the over a minute I spent fighting it. The rest of the time it idled (meaning I could do literally nothing except jump and roll around the screen to amuse myself whilst I waited) or using it's acid attack. I could just tell I was gonna time out numerous times on the fight. It's attacks also aren't really telegraphed, meaning you're probably just going to get hit by them and miss the exposed opportunity. I will say it was better than the previous demo, however, as the attack where it exposes itself (ew... xD) felt like it had a fairer hitbox, or maybe I just got lucky.
The telegraphing issue is present for the majority of enemies and bosses actually. There's no wind-up to their attacks, they just throw it out at lightning speed before you have time to react. There are exceptions, such as... Lisa? She had at least one attack that was somewhat telegraphed (the others were unavoidably lightning fast instant knockdowns though).
Onto the bullet points:
- I think combo-enders should knock enemies down, especially if you're gonna have so many enemies on screen. I appreciate that getting surrounded by zombies easily goes with the 'vibe' of a survival horror game, but in a beat 'em up it just makes every single screen feel stressful and panicky.
- Somewhat related to the above issue, it is WAY too easy to get stunlocked and drain a full bar of health. This seems to be a common issue with OpenBOR creators (even veterans, surprisingly); they swarm the screen with enemies but then give almost every enemy a very fast jab attack, and then what happens is the player just gets cheap-shotted constantly when trying to move around, or gets stunlocked in the middle of a huge group. Granted, there's a breakout move, but because of how many buttons the game has, it's not always easy to hit/remember where it is.
- I'm annoyed at myself for forgetting enemy names, but the Combine-looking guy with the gun is a little... silly. A rapid fire machine gun that basically stunlocks you in place, draining tons of health, and he's able to immediately fire again when you've barely exited the pain anim, allowing him to spam you to death easily before you can reach him. And the worst offender; he can do it from off screen where you might not even know he exists yet. Ranged enemies should NEVER be able to attack from offscreen. It's just a cheap shot at that point.
- The zombie dog's jump attack commits another pet peeve sin of mine; a single attack that hits numerous times. It leaps and does a claw swipe, yet instead of only hitting once, the character gets repeatedly hit for the entire time the animation is touching them. It's not only unfair but unrealstic. Hits are defined by momentum. When the dog first swipes, sure, that's a claw being swung through the air, but once the claw is STATIONARY (momentum is over) then it should no longer count as an attack. If my cat's paw is stationary and I pat it, it's not gonna hurt me xD But if she swings that f*cker you bet it'll hurt then. Hopefully that makes sense.
- Another potential hitbox issues is the holes with tendrils coming out of them. I figure if I'm standing on the hole, the tendril should hit me. But it also hits me if I'm standing way ABOVE the hole (on the Z plane), which doesn't really make sense. I do appreciate it was probably difficult to make a trap like that and I doubt I could've made it work properly either, lol.
- The hitbox on the Hunter's jump attack feels a bit generous. I get hit long before his claws actually touch the sprite. They're not a huge problem, but it's just something I noticed. But at least (unlike the dogs) it IS just a single hit.
I will say that the amount of healing items and extra lives DOES mean that all of the above does not necessarily put you in danger of getting a Game Over, but it's more an issue of game flow and player frustration than a fear of dying. But I say this as someone who plays games to relieve stress and mow through enemies, not someone who loves hard games, and unfortunately it seems a lot of creators around here just wanna make games for hardcore players, which is a shame. In it's current state, the game feels like Hard mode, and you could probably safely keep it as it is AS a Hard Mode, but I think it'd really make the game more accessible to have a Normal (and if you have the time/patience, an Easy Mode) with smaller enemy groups, etc. for those of us who just play games to chill and don't care so much about overcoming a challenge And just to kind of clarify my mindset here: I've beaten Streets of Rage 4 on Mania, but I would not choose to play on Mania as my default. I actually play on Easy/Normal, even though I can comfortably beat the game on Hard/Hardest, 'cause it's just more fun that way. I think it's super important to have that variety. An insanely hard experience is not inherantly bad, if it is OPTIONAL for those who want it. It should never be the default, as it alienates some of the player base (not to mention make it so younger kids can't play with their parents, etc.).
I always worry that I will sound nit-picky or rude and the last thing I would want is to upset you or undermine your work, but to reassure you; I always say that I would not waste my time giving feedback if I thought the project had no potential. If I thought the game was trash, I'd just delete it and move on without a word. It's when a game has such good potential, but gets let down by some poor aspects, that I get passionate enough to offer feedback, because I can see the gold, it's just covered in a little mud And there is DEFINITELY some awesome potential here, and the fact you drew the stages and textured them yourself and I presume made a lot of the character sprites etc. your passion and talents are clear as day. So please don't think I hate it or think your work is terrible.
x
I might be crazy but in the brief test of controls I did, it seemed the character loses health when they use their melee attack now. I don't remember it being like that in previous builds? Breakout attack I expect to lose a little health, but not the melee. I may just be misremembering.
But yeah those are just some quality of life things. I'll try to actually do a full playthrough ASAP
Congrats on the release in the meantime! Things seem to be coming along great.Is Sheva still in the plans to be playable btw? It seemed from previous posts like the roster plans might've changed a bit.
EDIT (Didn't want to double post):
I have played some more. I didn't finish it as I rage/bored-quit on the same place as the last demo. Whilst I definitely like the game a little, it IS still plagued with a lot of my pet peeves and things that, for me, separate a GOOD beat 'em from a GREAT beat 'em up. Before I get into any bullet points though, I'll explain where I rage/bored-quit; the plant boss with the number in it's name (I think it was 41 or 48 or something). Whilst I appreciate the novelty of a boss having to expose a weak point to hit it, it just doesn't feel like it works here. It only exposes itself (rude.... xD) after a specific attack, which it used maybe twice in the over a minute I spent fighting it. The rest of the time it idled (meaning I could do literally nothing except jump and roll around the screen to amuse myself whilst I waited) or using it's acid attack. I could just tell I was gonna time out numerous times on the fight. It's attacks also aren't really telegraphed, meaning you're probably just going to get hit by them and miss the exposed opportunity. I will say it was better than the previous demo, however, as the attack where it exposes itself (ew... xD) felt like it had a fairer hitbox, or maybe I just got lucky.
The telegraphing issue is present for the majority of enemies and bosses actually. There's no wind-up to their attacks, they just throw it out at lightning speed before you have time to react. There are exceptions, such as... Lisa? She had at least one attack that was somewhat telegraphed (the others were unavoidably lightning fast instant knockdowns though).
Onto the bullet points:
- I think combo-enders should knock enemies down, especially if you're gonna have so many enemies on screen. I appreciate that getting surrounded by zombies easily goes with the 'vibe' of a survival horror game, but in a beat 'em up it just makes every single screen feel stressful and panicky.
- Somewhat related to the above issue, it is WAY too easy to get stunlocked and drain a full bar of health. This seems to be a common issue with OpenBOR creators (even veterans, surprisingly); they swarm the screen with enemies but then give almost every enemy a very fast jab attack, and then what happens is the player just gets cheap-shotted constantly when trying to move around, or gets stunlocked in the middle of a huge group. Granted, there's a breakout move, but because of how many buttons the game has, it's not always easy to hit/remember where it is.
- I'm annoyed at myself for forgetting enemy names, but the Combine-looking guy with the gun is a little... silly. A rapid fire machine gun that basically stunlocks you in place, draining tons of health, and he's able to immediately fire again when you've barely exited the pain anim, allowing him to spam you to death easily before you can reach him. And the worst offender; he can do it from off screen where you might not even know he exists yet. Ranged enemies should NEVER be able to attack from offscreen. It's just a cheap shot at that point.
- The zombie dog's jump attack commits another pet peeve sin of mine; a single attack that hits numerous times. It leaps and does a claw swipe, yet instead of only hitting once, the character gets repeatedly hit for the entire time the animation is touching them. It's not only unfair but unrealstic. Hits are defined by momentum. When the dog first swipes, sure, that's a claw being swung through the air, but once the claw is STATIONARY (momentum is over) then it should no longer count as an attack. If my cat's paw is stationary and I pat it, it's not gonna hurt me xD But if she swings that f*cker you bet it'll hurt then. Hopefully that makes sense.
- Another potential hitbox issues is the holes with tendrils coming out of them. I figure if I'm standing on the hole, the tendril should hit me. But it also hits me if I'm standing way ABOVE the hole (on the Z plane), which doesn't really make sense. I do appreciate it was probably difficult to make a trap like that and I doubt I could've made it work properly either, lol.
- The hitbox on the Hunter's jump attack feels a bit generous. I get hit long before his claws actually touch the sprite. They're not a huge problem, but it's just something I noticed. But at least (unlike the dogs) it IS just a single hit.
I will say that the amount of healing items and extra lives DOES mean that all of the above does not necessarily put you in danger of getting a Game Over, but it's more an issue of game flow and player frustration than a fear of dying. But I say this as someone who plays games to relieve stress and mow through enemies, not someone who loves hard games, and unfortunately it seems a lot of creators around here just wanna make games for hardcore players, which is a shame. In it's current state, the game feels like Hard mode, and you could probably safely keep it as it is AS a Hard Mode, but I think it'd really make the game more accessible to have a Normal (and if you have the time/patience, an Easy Mode) with smaller enemy groups, etc. for those of us who just play games to chill and don't care so much about overcoming a challenge
And just to kind of clarify my mindset here: I've beaten Streets of Rage 4 on Mania, but I would not choose to play on Mania as my default. I actually play on Easy/Normal, even though I can comfortably beat the game on Hard/Hardest, 'cause it's just more fun that way. I think it's super important to have that variety. An insanely hard experience is not inherantly bad, if it is OPTIONAL for those who want it. It should never be the default, as it alienates some of the player base (not to mention make it so younger kids can't play with their parents, etc.).I always worry that I will sound nit-picky or rude and the last thing I would want is to upset you or undermine your work, but to reassure you; I always say that I would not waste my time giving feedback if I thought the project had no potential. If I thought the game was trash, I'd just delete it and move on without a word. It's when a game has such good potential, but gets let down by some poor aspects, that I get passionate enough to offer feedback, because I can see the gold, it's just covered in a little mud
And there is DEFINITELY some awesome potential here, and the fact you drew the stages and textured them yourself and I presume made a lot of the character sprites etc. your passion and talents are clear as day. So please don't think I hate it or think your work is terrible.x
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Chris Monvel
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A quick update on Jill Valentine's new skills, including a funny dance that stuns enemies
Based on this TikTok dance meme
Made just for fun
Based on this TikTok dance meme
Made just for fun
Chris Monvel
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@DCurrent thank you sir 
@ZVitor I get the idea. I tried but didn't like the effect on sprites. Character's head feels like stuck to an invisible crane or clamp holding it. I personally like that recoil characters make while running, I think it feels more natural.
@Psykai wow too many observations, specially considering you have admitted to not finishing the game but still taking note. I'll try to reply the most I can because there are A LOT. So I'll try to be quick.
Can you give me an example of how rename buttons? Game still includes a manual with control settings even with character's special commands (which were supposed to be secret moves), plus the How to Play section has been updated with a more minimalist and intuitive button diagram. Additionally, that's the point of the first tutorial levels when you start a new game to get familiar with each action but most players don't care and press anything they want to beat it quickly.
Indeed knife/melee weapons now reduce health as a penalization. This was changed from the demo after watching too much players spamming knife attacks without punching enemies at all.
Yeah, Sheva is planned as playable character for RE5 themed update. Game includes an unlockable character viewer with all confirmed characters joining the roster eventually.
I get the importance of bosses' attacks getting telegraphed so players can get ready to react. In case you haven't reach those levels, Tyrant's AI has been improved and their attacks have a short pause before charging on players but I'm still expecting to make more improvements. About Plant 42 I totally understand it used to be way too difficult and frustrating so I decided to simply remove all enemies so players can only focus on it (this boss in fact changed many combat aspects about massive bosses). In order to improve it I removed all knockout attacks so players won't be bouncing throughout level, acid attack was shortened and makes less damage so players can't feel overwhelmed. To destroy the Plant and make it open its petals you simply have to approach the root, which is in fact its real body.
I won't tell people how to play the game because that's not the point of this but weapons are mostly recommended for bosses since they can't be directly punched, that's why they don't feel any pain, to balance things on both sides. About being surrounded I understand what you're pointing out, that's why breakout attack is SO IMPORTANT, the problem is that players simply don't use it because they ignore its existence. Even in that case I considered all options available and that's why I also included the slide, dodge and run attack, to give players options and enjoy the game in many ways. They simply don't want to use them.
I understand enemies react or move way too fast, similar to bosses, and I have tweaked many of their attacks to allow players react. Keep in mind this is my very first Openbor game, there were no experiments or low effort edits before, this is my very first introduction to Openbor so consider those mistakes as left overs from my trial/error era. Every update not only includes new characters but also animation improvements to the old ones to balance gameplay. All I want is deliver the best Resident Evil Openbor game possible
@ZVitor I get the idea. I tried but didn't like the effect on sprites. Character's head feels like stuck to an invisible crane or clamp holding it. I personally like that recoil characters make while running, I think it feels more natural.
@Psykai wow too many observations, specially considering you have admitted to not finishing the game but still taking note. I'll try to reply the most I can because there are A LOT. So I'll try to be quick.
Can you give me an example of how rename buttons? Game still includes a manual with control settings even with character's special commands (which were supposed to be secret moves), plus the How to Play section has been updated with a more minimalist and intuitive button diagram. Additionally, that's the point of the first tutorial levels when you start a new game to get familiar with each action but most players don't care and press anything they want to beat it quickly.
Indeed knife/melee weapons now reduce health as a penalization. This was changed from the demo after watching too much players spamming knife attacks without punching enemies at all.
Yeah, Sheva is planned as playable character for RE5 themed update. Game includes an unlockable character viewer with all confirmed characters joining the roster eventually.
I get the importance of bosses' attacks getting telegraphed so players can get ready to react. In case you haven't reach those levels, Tyrant's AI has been improved and their attacks have a short pause before charging on players but I'm still expecting to make more improvements. About Plant 42 I totally understand it used to be way too difficult and frustrating so I decided to simply remove all enemies so players can only focus on it (this boss in fact changed many combat aspects about massive bosses). In order to improve it I removed all knockout attacks so players won't be bouncing throughout level, acid attack was shortened and makes less damage so players can't feel overwhelmed. To destroy the Plant and make it open its petals you simply have to approach the root, which is in fact its real body.
I won't tell people how to play the game because that's not the point of this but weapons are mostly recommended for bosses since they can't be directly punched, that's why they don't feel any pain, to balance things on both sides. About being surrounded I understand what you're pointing out, that's why breakout attack is SO IMPORTANT, the problem is that players simply don't use it because they ignore its existence. Even in that case I considered all options available and that's why I also included the slide, dodge and run attack, to give players options and enjoy the game in many ways. They simply don't want to use them.
I understand enemies react or move way too fast, similar to bosses, and I have tweaked many of their attacks to allow players react. Keep in mind this is my very first Openbor game, there were no experiments or low effort edits before, this is my very first introduction to Openbor so consider those mistakes as left overs from my trial/error era. Every update not only includes new characters but also animation improvements to the old ones to balance gameplay. All I want is deliver the best Resident Evil Openbor game possible
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create a MENU.txt at data folder, and put it there:
renamekey attack1 Attack
renamekey attack3 Helper
renamekey attack2 Special
renamekey special Block
renamekey attack4 ULTRA
Chris Monvel
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Cool! I'll give it a try man. Thank you!
how is the progress on the resident evil openbor game
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Season 3 based on Resident Evil 3: Nemesis is scheduled for September, 28. A cinematic teaser will be released next month, so stay tuned to the channel updates.
Jill Valentine with her RE3 costume and Carlos have been finished and are fully playable. Nikolai and Mikhail are still pending. Raccoon City levels have been completed in a 80%
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I've got a problem while I was working on Nemesis boss txt file. The log says invalid animation name. The problem is that I've checked them all and can´t seem to find the problem:
PART 1
PART 1
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PART 2
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Aditionally I've made a playable version of Nemesis which includes GRABWALK but animation won't play at all. I've also declared this on character's header and nothing happens.
loop 1
delay 6
offset 64 151
bbox 26 0 63 157
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_01.gif
offset 63 146
bbox 25 0 75 151
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_02.gif
offset 49 149
bbox 26 0 75 154
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_03.gif
offset 55 150
bbox 31 0 66 155
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_04.gif
offset 58 157
bbox 26 0 65 165
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_05.gif
offset 61 148
bbox 28 0 63 153
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_06.gif
offset 54 153
bbox 26 0 69 158
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_07.gif
offset 60 156
bbox 21 0 72 161
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_08.gif
anim grabbackwalk
loop 1
delay 6
offset 64 151
bbox 26 0 63 157
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_01.gif
offset 63 146
bbox 25 0 75 151
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_02.gif
offset 49 149
bbox 26 0 75 154
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_03.gif
offset 55 150
bbox 31 0 66 155
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_04.gif
offset 58 157
bbox 26 0 65 165
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_05.gif
offset 61 148
bbox 28 0 63 153
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_06.gif
offset 54 153
bbox 26 0 69 158
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_07.gif
offset 60 156
bbox 21 0 72 161
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_08.gif
anim grabwalk
loop 1
delay 6
offset 64 151
bbox 26 0 63 157
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_01.gif
offset 63 146
bbox 25 0 75 151
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_02.gif
offset 49 149
bbox 26 0 75 154
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_03.gif
offset 55 150
bbox 31 0 66 155
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_04.gif
offset 58 157
bbox 26 0 65 165
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_05.gif
offset 61 148
bbox 28 0 63 153
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_06.gif
offset 54 153
bbox 26 0 69 158
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_07.gif
offset 60 156
bbox 21 0 72 161
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_08.gif
anim grabbackwalk
loop 1
delay 6
offset 64 151
bbox 26 0 63 157
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_01.gif
offset 63 146
bbox 25 0 75 151
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_02.gif
offset 49 149
bbox 26 0 75 154
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_03.gif
offset 55 150
bbox 31 0 66 155
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_04.gif
offset 58 157
bbox 26 0 65 165
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_05.gif
offset 61 148
bbox 28 0 63 153
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_06.gif
offset 54 153
bbox 26 0 69 158
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_07.gif
offset 60 156
bbox 21 0 72 161
frame data/chars/Nemesis/grabwalk_08.gif
I saw that you are using attack types above attack4.
In this case I suggest checking your "maxattacks" and "maxattacktypes" limits in your models.txt file, otherwise you can have issues with the game.
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I did it but still happened. I've set maxattacks 90 and maxattacktypes 30
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Indeed, removing animations following attack4 the character spawned. I had to rename attack5, 6 and 7 as freespecials and character worked great! Weird
Aditionally, the playable version of Nemesis has grabwalk but character won't play the animation. He will simply grab enemies like a common static grab.
grabwalk 15
I suggest the same as Bloodbane, try to erase every animation until the issue is gone. This way you will discover what animation is causing the problem.
That's really strange, I tested both maxattacks/maxattacktypes in a BOR mod and it works fine.
Are these commands really added in your models.txt file, or maybe in another file like levels.txt? And make sure that both are declared together, declaring just one or another may not work.
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Yes they are! In fact i declared these during the very early days of development anticipating these type of conflicts and still surprised me
Yeah, I understand. But I still don't see the maxattacks in your code.
It should be like this.
versusdamage 0
nodebug 1
maxfreespecials 25
maxattacks 90
maxattacktypes 90
colourselect 1
spdirection 1 1 1 1