Kusanagi83
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big great job friend ¡¡¡ Your game will be the best wrestling mod on the openbor platform, if you want me to make you a different ring design, you can ask me bro. ;D You're doing a great job. greetings .
Canceled World Arena project
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big great job friend ¡¡¡ Your game will be the best wrestling mod on the openbor platform, if you want me to make you a different ring design, you can ask me bro. ;D You're doing a great job. greetings .
NED
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Thanks for your words, but don't expect to play this game before 5-6 years (it's a minimum to complete the first playable character + few enemies + system + 1 level)crimefighters3 said:Sorry about the slams.Game does look awesome though.
I'm slow, I'm VERY VERY VERY slow and mostly unskilled for coding, my code is a total mess.
But you can play a lot of other games until I complete something stable.
I might give up in few years and pay someone to code everything from scratch. when I'm doing the hardwork of sprite edits.
Thanks Kusanagi83. My game have wrestling themes, but it's not a wrestling game. (I cannot code such a thing, for me this is nearly impossible)Kusanagi83 said:
Again, I'm slow, I might ask your help for some ring backgrounds (just to swap it with the regular one and have some variety of ring)
But first, I have to be sure my ring code is STABLE and effective. Otherwise it's like asking you to work for me without beiing sure it will be used. :/
Also, my game will have different game modes, like in the streets, a world tour(a la SF2) mode, zombie mode... I will need BG when I work on these aspects. (even if I'm pretty sure it will take me some years to complete...)
NED
Well-known member
Bloodbane said:
After seeing no change (see previous posts).
I did some trial and error. Using similar "finish values" from another slam (that actually works)
The problem is still here.
So, the problem is not in the values I use in the finish part.
other tries :
removing completely the finish command
-no finish happens. (Even someone with no skill like me can understand it)
Now, the interesting part starts:
I tried adding replacing all numbers with "0"
and add just
1-"damage value" (=50)
2-"type of fall to play on release" (=type 2)
Code:
@cmd finish 50 2 0 0 0 0So, the result is all the binding and velocities and flip sprite values are ALWAYS IGNORED for some reason.
This is above my understanding.
I don't know why for this specific move, the values are ignored
Some clues
The animation is particularly long
I have a big number of anims in the character file
perhaps a conflics with multiple scripts
last frames are very short display
limitation of memory because of too much stuff
...
Bloodbane , the code itself.
Just in case someone understand what happens.
This is the actual full move code. (warning, my coding is usually a mess in term of structure.)
Code:
anim freespecial76# Super Deadly twister (SUPER grab)
# damageonlanding 0 1#l'enemi peut faire des indirect damage
forcedirection -1
fastattack 1
loop 0
jugglecost 1
jumpframe 29 4.5 -1.9#28 2.0 -0.9#8 2 -0.9#7 2 -0.9#5 2 -0.9#5 2.5 -1
landframe 33#35# dus#14 dus#13#12
attackone 0
quakeframe 33 9 7#13 9 7#3
offset 96 177
bbox 0 0 0 0
delay 20#2#3
hitfx data/sounds/empty.wav
# hitflash noflash
grabin 1 40
attack30 99 79 61 41 0 0 1 1 0 0#grab hit (TRICHER!!)
nokill 1
frame data/chars/rachel/grab.gif
# @cmd slowmo 1
offset 55 239#96 177
delay 10#2
@cmd slamstart
@cmd position 39 48 -1 -1 -1#0#spr X Y Z flip
attack30 0 0 0 0 0 0
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist00.gif#grab.gif
offset 55 239#96 177
delay 20#9
@cmd position 39 48 -1 -1 -1#0#spr X Y Z flip
sound data/sounds/knee.wav
#hitflash flash
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist01.gif
delay 6#7
@cmd position 39 48 -1 -1 -1#0#spr X Y Z flip
attack31 0 0 0 0 0 0
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist01b.gif
delay 20#9#10
@cmd position 38 48 -1 -1 -1#0#spr X Y Z flip
sound data/sounds/knee.wav
#hitflash flash
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist02.gif
offset 55 245#239### + haut correc 1
delay 9#10
attack30 0 0 0 0 0 0
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist03.gif
offset 55 255#239### + haut correc 2
delay 12#11
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist03a.gif
delay 7#8
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist03b.gif
delay 10#18
@cmd position 39 48 -1 -1 -1#0#spr X Y Z flip
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist04.gif
delay 18#11#12#6
sound data/sounds/land.wav
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist05.gif
delay 3
# quakeframe 1 3 1#36 3 5#shake ajout
# sound data/chars/rachel/kiai2.wav
attackone 1
hitfx data/sounds/empty.wav
hitflash noflash
attack30 73 143 40 57 0 0 1 1 0 0#grab hit (TRICHER!!)
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist05.gif
delay 7#9
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist06.gif
delay 7#9
@cmd position 39 48 -1 -1 -1
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist07.gif
delay 55#75
@cmd position 37 48 -1 -1 -1#0#spr X Y Z flip
sound data/sounds/strangle1.wav
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist08.gif#ARME
delay 1
sound data/chars/rachel/kiai4.wav#eei.wav#kiai4.wav
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist09.gif#TWIST START
delay 6#7
@cmd position 35 48 -1 -1 -1#0#spr X Y Z flip
sound data/sounds/a2.wav
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist09.gif
delay 1
@cmd position 35 48 -1 -1 -1#0#spr X Y Z flip
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist10.gif
delay 7
sound data/sounds/snap2.wav#snap4.wav
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist10.gif
offset 55 255#239#96 265#96 177##shake 0!!!!!!!!!!
delay 3
@cmd position 36 48 -1 -1 -1#0#spr X Y Z flip
@cmd hurt 60
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist11.gif#TWIST POSE (finish)
offset 53 255#239#94 265#92 177##shake -2
delay 3
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist11.gif
offset 57 255#239#98 265#100 177##shake +2
delay 4
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist11.gif
offset 54 255#239#95 265#94 177##shake -1
delay 4
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist11.gif
offset 56 255#239#97 265#98 177##shake +1
delay 4
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist11.gif
offset 55 255#239#96 265##shake 0
delay 20#45
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist11.gif
delay 7#9
@cmd position 35 48 -1 -1 -1#0#spr X Y Z flip
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist12.gif
delay 5#6
@cmd position 38 48 -1 1 -1#0#spr X Y Z flip(derrière)
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist13.gif
### @cmd slowmo 1
#TRANSITION TO INSTALL
offset 96 177#96 195#96 177
delay 8
# @cmd leaper -3 4.8 0#-3 4.5 0#----------(x y z)good script pour un 2eme hop possible
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist13a.gif
#FLY/SLAM PART55 239#
offset 96 177
delay 13#8
@cmd position 2 0 0 0 1
# @cmd leaper -3 4.8 0#-3 4.5 0#----------(x y z)good script pour un 2eme hop possible
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist13b.gif
offset 96 177
delay 12
@cmd position 3 0 0 0 1
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist14.gif
delay 17
@cmd position 4 0 0 0 1
frame data/chars/rachel/franke05.gif
delay 14
@cmd position 5 0 0 0 1
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist15.gif
@cmd position 7 0 0 0 1
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist16.gif
delay 50
@cmd position 9 0 0 0 1
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist17.gif
#HOLD PART (hit ground)
delay 1
@cmd position 10 24 1 0 1
# @cmd spawn01 "slmbx" 0 0 -3#6 0 -3#--name x y z--(en arr plan)
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist18.gif#rebond
delay 1
@cmd spawn01 "slmfx" 0 0 -3#6 0 -3#--name x y z--(en arr plan)
sound data/sounds/fallbrk.wav#fall.wav
@cmd spawn01 "dus" 0 0 1
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist18.gif#rebond
delay 8
sound data/sounds/hardp.wav
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist18.gif#rebond
delay 11
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist19.gif#rebond
delay 20
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist20.gif#hold
delay 8
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist21.gif
delay 12
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist22.gif
delay 1#--------------last pour release bind of P2 (1 frame)
@cmd position 10 24 1 0 1
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist22.gif
delay 1#--------------last pour release bind of P2 (1 frame)
@cmd depost 0
@cmd finish 50 2 0 0 0 0#50 2 2.2 2.2 0 1##50 2 2.2 2.2 1 0#50 2 -2.2 2.2 1 1#50 2 -2.2 2.2 1 1
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist22.gif
delay 35
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist22.gif
#get up
delay 16
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist23.gif
delay 10
### @cmd slowmo 0
# @cmd slowmo 0
frame data/chars/rachel/j01.gif
Bloodbane
Well-known member
I'm going to try stabbing in the dark here. I know a case where velocities parameters don't apply after finish function but flip parameter does apply; it occurs when opponent is released below ground before finishing. But it doesn't seem to happen here
Does this problem occur with all opponents?
Does this problem occur with all opponents?
NED
Well-known member
Bloodbane said:
Thanks Bloodbane
Yes, at least I feel I'm not crazy, now.
I'm still in state of templates, so I have no other enemy than the big mexican wrestler.
But I managed to try the move on NPC (even if he doesn't have all the required sprites)
Same result.
All parametrer from 3, 4, 5... are ignored.
And thanks again for taking the time to understand and help.
kimono
Well-known member
nedflandeurse: Can you just prepare a small demo with a player and one enemy so we can try to set this grab attack?
NED
Well-known member
kimono I will try one more thing first.
I think I got nearly the area of the problem.
This move I'm coding right now is based on another (normal) throw she have.
They have similar physics, some aspects.
When I switch this part of code, the release works correctly.
(of course, just editing the release command doesn't. It would have been too easy...)
Working part of code from Nomal throw
The equivalent part in the super move. (buggy part)
So, this post is also a save for me.
To know what I'm doing.
I think I got nearly the area of the problem.
This move I'm coding right now is based on another (normal) throw she have.
They have similar physics, some aspects.
When I switch this part of code, the release works correctly.
(of course, just editing the release command doesn't. It would have been too easy...)
Working part of code from Nomal throw
Code:
delay 6##7#5
@cmd spawn01 "slmfxfst" -30 0 -3#--name x y z--(en arr plan)
@cmd position 10 0 0 0 1
attack 22 112 82 71 5 1 1 0 6 20
frame data/chars/rachel/franke09a.gif
sound data/sounds/fallbrk.wav#fall.wav
@cmd position 10 0 0 0 1
attack 0 0 0 0
frame data/chars/rachel/franke09a.gif
delay 10#1#7#5-------1 frame pour le 2eme son (hitsound)
sound data/sounds/hardp.wav
@cmd position 10 0 0 0 1
frame data/chars/rachel/franke09a.gif
delay 1#7#5--------------last pour release bind of P2 (1 frame)
@cmd position 10 -44 1 0 1
frame data/chars/rachel/franke09.gif
delay 1#7#5--------------last pour release bind of P2 (1 frame)
@cmd depost 0
@cmd finish 50 2 -2.2 2.2 0 1
# @cmd position 10 -44 1 0 1
frame data/chars/rachel/franke09.gifThe equivalent part in the super move. (buggy part)
Code:
#############################################-DEBUT DU PROBLEME-######################
#HOLD PART (hit ground)
delay 1
@cmd position 10 24 1 0 1
# @cmd spawn01 "slmbx" 0 0 -3#6 0 -3#--name x y z--(en arr plan)
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist18.gif#rebond
delay 1
@cmd spawn01 "slmfx" 0 0 -3#6 0 -3#--name x y z--(en arr plan)
sound data/sounds/fallbrk.wav#fall.wav
@cmd spawn01 "dus" 0 0 1
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist18.gif#rebond
delay 8
sound data/sounds/hardp.wav
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist18.gif#rebond
delay 11
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist19.gif#rebond
delay 20
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist20.gif#hold
delay 8
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist21.gif
delay 12
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist22.gif
delay 1#--------------last pour release bind of P2 (1 frame)
@cmd position 10 24 1 0 1
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist22.gif
delay 1#--------------last pour release bind of P2 (1 frame)
@cmd depost 0
@cmd finish 50 2 -2.2 2.2 1 1#50 2 -2.2 2.2 1 1
frame data/chars/rachel/suptwist22.gif
#############################################-FIN DU PROBLEME-######################So, this post is also a save for me.
To know what I'm doing.
NED
Well-known member
Miru Right now, the project is cancelled.
I will not work on it anymore. I think it's not worth.
But I like sprites. So I will make some "fake shots" for fun in the future.
Perhaps make some short comics stories with sprites (no need of advanced skills)
Similar to this :
If you created some designs, I might add them to some similar comics. or fake shots. (even if I already have many concepts of characters.)
I will not work on it anymore. I think it's not worth.
But I like sprites. So I will make some "fake shots" for fun in the future.
Perhaps make some short comics stories with sprites (no need of advanced skills)
Similar to this :
If you created some designs, I might add them to some similar comics. or fake shots. (even if I already have many concepts of characters.)
crimefighters3
Active member
Birnbaum said:
Please consider this ned you come too far to lose it all? Or let someone else finish it?
NED
Well-known member
crimefighters3 said:Birnbaum said:
Please consider this ned you come too far to lose it all? Or let someone else finish it?
As a reminder, I'm not a programer. Only pixel artist, and fighting game/beat em up enthusiast.
I looked for a programer to work with me. But no one can.
Most skilled creators have their own project. I understand they cannot make this game for me.
And this is definitely not the usual "Bor" game
Some weeks ago, I had the help of 2 great creators here, and some stuffs are solved/half solved.
Right now, I cannot give time to this project. because of priorities in IRL and art projects + some current Mugen projects.
About this, it's hard to say, but with mugen, I want to sprite a move, I know the move will exist and will not be a waste of time.
I can code the move (it's like mother language). and if I cannot. I ask to the community, and I ALWAYS have support, so, projects can progress without having too much despair.
Eventually, I'll get back to this project, but I again have to get into Openbor "logic", because, it always sounds like foreign language to me.
Here, I can have help, but I cannot always bother the creators, and disturb them from their main projects.
Let's wait and see.
And about the goal to "finish" it.
I make no more illusion. It's nearly impossible.
The more I can do with help of creators here, it to make the game playable and stable. create some game modes, but definitely not adding all the content (characters etc)
perhaps I will release a game when I reach 15/20% of the initial project, then move on.
Not sure right now.
crimefighters3
Active member
I wish you all the best Ned. If I could code I would definitely try and help. Yes taking a nice long break and winding down can help.
I'd suggest maybe toning some stuff down? You could always make a ex plus version at later stage? Such a beautiful and original game.
I'd suggest maybe toning some stuff down? You could always make a ex plus version at later stage? Such a beautiful and original game.
NED
Well-known member
crimefighters3 said:
No problem.
Right now, I just don't feel like coding in this "language"... It takes me too much time and concentration.
working on games is perhaps 25% of my hobbies/creation time. And right now, these 25% are almost completly for Mugen. Again because in mugen : I have an idea, I do it, it works. (after couple adjustments)
Of course, if I had a programmer with me, I can concentrate most of my creative time on this project, to make custom animations, sprites, special effect, working on the sounds etc.
But right now, this is not possible. My need now is to sprite what I like and these sprites to be used (for sure) in a project. Without suffering too much of the coding / programming / scripting process.
Again, there are some incredibly skilled programmers here, but I would never ask them to stop their own project and make mine instead.
Since I started again Mugen, I don't feel in a rush anymore.
Again, I sprite, I code, it works.
O Ilusionista
Captain 100K
I understand your feeling, because they are completely different engines. The biggest difference is that at Mugen we tend to work in a more modular way - we make pieces (characters, sets, etc.) that can be used separately (or together in games) by people, while at OpenBOR we tend to work more with the concept of "complete games" ", which takes more time.
Each has things that I love and hate. Don't think that I don't experience frustration in OpenBOR either - I was about to cancel my project yesterday because of stupid engine behavior.
His project was quite ambitious, perhaps even too much for a first project. But it is something that you can revisit in the future.
My advice?
- try to start with something simpler, to understand how the engine works. THERE IS NO PERFECT ENGINE, each one has its own PROS and CONS.
- You can focus on participating in other projects, since you are very skilled with sprites.
- Exploring your main points can be the key to happiness. For example, although I do some things, I am not a spriter. So I focus on other things.
NED
Well-known member
O_Ilusionista
Thanks a lot for your feedback. Right now, I don't really feel in a hurry to complete this, but it's always great to be supported by friends like you!
actually, this is perhaps my 3rd project or something.
My first was based on BOR
My second was a custom of the masterpiece that BloodBane did in the past
Then I started world arena project as a way to try all the possible stuffs from the game manual at these times (It was a way to learn all the possible features)
First it was some kind of "arena fighter". Something thinking like "What would be a stage in Blanka landscape, with Blanka as a boss ?"
Then I had the idea of wrestling and more advanced mecanics.
I deleted many advanced mecanics from the project, because I had no skills to do it. And it would require an external programer to do it.
No, the project is not that complex.
It's just that sometimes, the engine seems really stupid and have a logic I can't get used to.
The frustration comes from that. And I don't have time anymore to go hardtryer trying to code a specific mechanic for 2-3 weeks, almost stopping living because I'm obsessed with the result (-> then usually cancel it because there is no solution to fix it to me = losing several weeks of my life for nothing.)
About your advices.
-Yes, no perfect engine. I "hate" Mugen for some of it's limitations. (I actually tried to add Beat em ups mecanics in Mugen - before to postpone when they removed Z axis moving in post winmugen versions) . Also, during confinement, I also tried some new project, but not that interesting. and I'm not even motivated to continue it. I even named it "Simple Brawler" ^^
-participating in other projects, yes This is a plan. I already started something. But only "advanced" gameplays interest me. (This is why I worked with Magggas in the past)
-Beside of teaching art, my main hobbies is drawing and making comics. (I do it most of my time, to complete IRL projects) Not really spriting. Spriting is time consuming, ask me some focus. So, I only do sprite edits. I always say it... Head swap + color swap can make incredible results. 99,99999% of WA project planed new charcters will use this method.
I'll get back to it.
Every time I play my own buggy demo, I feel like I want to continue.
But to think it will be a lot of ime for small result makes me want to give priority to other creative hobbies.
Again If I didn't had the help of couple of creators by PM, the project would be dead.
They actually saved this project.
Thanks a lot for your feedback. Right now, I don't really feel in a hurry to complete this, but it's always great to be supported by friends like you!
actually, this is perhaps my 3rd project or something.
My first was based on BOR
My second was a custom of the masterpiece that BloodBane did in the past
Then I started world arena project as a way to try all the possible stuffs from the game manual at these times (It was a way to learn all the possible features)
First it was some kind of "arena fighter". Something thinking like "What would be a stage in Blanka landscape, with Blanka as a boss ?"
Then I had the idea of wrestling and more advanced mecanics.
I deleted many advanced mecanics from the project, because I had no skills to do it. And it would require an external programer to do it.
No, the project is not that complex.
It's just that sometimes, the engine seems really stupid and have a logic I can't get used to.
The frustration comes from that. And I don't have time anymore to go hardtryer trying to code a specific mechanic for 2-3 weeks, almost stopping living because I'm obsessed with the result (-> then usually cancel it because there is no solution to fix it to me = losing several weeks of my life for nothing.)
About your advices.
-Yes, no perfect engine. I "hate" Mugen for some of it's limitations. (I actually tried to add Beat em ups mecanics in Mugen - before to postpone when they removed Z axis moving in post winmugen versions) . Also, during confinement, I also tried some new project, but not that interesting. and I'm not even motivated to continue it. I even named it "Simple Brawler" ^^
-participating in other projects, yes This is a plan. I already started something. But only "advanced" gameplays interest me. (This is why I worked with Magggas in the past)
-Beside of teaching art, my main hobbies is drawing and making comics. (I do it most of my time, to complete IRL projects) Not really spriting. Spriting is time consuming, ask me some focus. So, I only do sprite edits. I always say it... Head swap + color swap can make incredible results. 99,99999% of WA project planed new charcters will use this method.
I'll get back to it.
Every time I play my own buggy demo, I feel like I want to continue.
But to think it will be a lot of ime for small result makes me want to give priority to other creative hobbies.
Again If I didn't had the help of couple of creators by PM, the project would be dead.
They actually saved this project.