Final Blow Beta

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Congratulations @msmalik681 on this boxing game!

Should we consider this the final version?
And if not, will there be signature moves that differentiate each boxer?
 
@DCurrent thanks for playing, think i need to tweak the gameplay to make it more fair. Think you used too many jabs, double damage with hard attacks.

@NED a lot of work was put in to make the game modular so extra characters can be added later. Do you think the game is too hard?

@kimono this could change based on feedback but this is the core game just like the arcade all fighters are the same just cosmetics change with each head swap.
 
I won the first match. Man, that's very difficult/challenging to beat. I had to step away from the opponent in the final round of the match before time ran out. I punched and dodged/evaded so that I'd save my health bar from losing.

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It's almost like an unfair fight, but because I had my experience of being challenged with timing the attacks and blocks in real life, I can see why it's hard to beat him. You know. For instance, someone does a fake slap, and you try to defend yourself from getting slapped. You're late to block after someone hits you. Reminds me of the time I was challenged like that, but not in a real fight.

After checking with the collision and attack boxes on debug settings, they still exist normally, but it's quite tricky when and where to hit him. I just dodge and punch. Sometimes I step back.

O Ilusionista said:
I tried 4 times to record a longplay, but I could not get it working. The game itself works, but the video capture just shows the first screen and the audio.
Both using OpenGL or screen position with Bandcam, but both failed.
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I do not know what you mean. Sorry. But you can turn on window mode in video options and then close the game. Open it again.
 
maxman said:
they still exist normally, but it's quite tricky when and where to hit him. I just dodge and punch. Sometimes I step back.
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I had a look at the code. It uses doattack (as it should) to handle level blocking, so just debugging boxes won't save you.

Also, your opponent gets an increasing damage bonus every round.

DC
 
DCurrent said:
I had a look at the code. It uses doattack (as it should) to handle level blocking, so just debugging boxes won't save you.

Also, your opponent gets an increasing damage bonus every round.

DC
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Yes but the damage bonus only starts from round 2.

@maxman thanks for the feedback.
 
msmalik681 said:
@DCurrent thanks for playing, think i need to tweak the gameplay to make it more fair. Think you used too many jabs, double damage with hard attacks.

@NED a lot of work was put in to make the game modular so extra characters can be added later. Do you think the game is too hard?

@kimono this could change based on feedback but this is the core game just like the arcade all fighters are the same just cosmetics change with each head swap.
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Yes, perhaps a bit too hard.
I feel like my moves never lands when the opponent always his me easily.
(But the arcade game is like that too..., even if I would consider it a flaw. Just like in old school wrestling games when 95% of time you cannot win a hold by mashing button against cpu)
 
DCurrent said:
I had a look at the code. It uses doattack (as it should) to handle level blocking, so just debugging boxes won't save you.
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True. You cannot rely on the boxes to save you for winning the matches.

DCurrent said:
Also, your opponent gets an increasing damage bonus every round.
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This was something I wanted it coded until I tried this game out. Plus, it reminds me of the thread I made which he replied. Even I mentioned the first Killer Instinct and X-Men: Children of the Atom.

It looks very unfair, but it's almost unfair.
 
O Ilusionista said:
I managed to save one of my recordings. So far, so good...and hard, lol
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Thanks for giving it a try. Definitely need to drop the difficulty, i was initially worried about the game being too easy lol.

I have completed the arcade game on easy and it is very difficult, had to use time overs and state saves.

@NED thanks for trying it l, hopefully the next build will be more enjoyable.
 
msmalik681 said:
Hope to hear your thoughts on it.
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This is looking sooooo good.

Perhaps as optional modes, could we get more sweat, blood and even damage to their faces? like black eyes and the like. Make it an option for purists.

Another thing is the extra characters if you decide to do them. Like maybe Iron Mike as the Mike Tyson boss OR the option to make him Iron Mask like in the Genesis version.

More frames of animation are always welcome if possible.

More fanfare between rounds like some of the other boxing game with intros and victory poses.

All this is should remain optional but are welcome QOL enhancements. When I played this game as a kid I always wished for the game to have more to it.

Just some fun suggestions to put out there.

Seeing Buster Douglas would be hilarious too. Maybe even Holyfield or even Forman. Just throwing that out there.

Good work!
 
I would be interested in a mode that enables mechanical differences. As in differing boxer abilities.

Like, if you had Foreman, he'd have a ton of HP, decent speed, and hit like a truck... but lose a tiny bit of HP on every swing since he tended to burn himself out.

Ali might have better defense and a stronger jab, etc.

That kind of thing. Wouldn't need more animation to make work.

DC
 
I will definitely be adding new characters as for differing gameplay unfortunately that would require way too much work as right now each character uses the same model with a new head and a body remap sorry.

Adding facial bruises would also require too much extra work the most i could to is a few minor details like droping the mouth gaurd when close to ko and maybe leaning on the ropes when a knockdown happens at the edge of the ring. The ref is also missing quite a bit of animation but i don't think it will improve the overall experience.
 
msmalik681 said:
leaning on the ropes when a knockdown happens at the edge of the ring. The ref is also missing quite a bit of animation but i don't think it will improve the overall experience.
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I disagree with @O Ilusionista. Missing animations when you do a remake are not acceptable IMO. They are the baseline. You've done a fantastic job, and I get the not wanting to add more mechanics. That makes perfect sense in the context of your project. But before adding more content, I would suggest filling in the blanks. Otherwise, it's not so much a remake, but a demake with extra stuff thrown in. That's always been the problem with OpenBOR fangames (well, most fangames, but I digress), and there's no technical reason for it.

Oh, and @O Ilusionista - minor correction on your write ups. Final Blow was released outside of Japan, and retained the name. It was actually a pretty common sight at arcades here in the states. The Buster Douglass port came later.

DC
 
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msmalik681 said:
I will definitely be adding new characters as for differing gameplay unfortunately that would require way too much work as right now each character uses the same model with a new head and a body remap sorry.

Adding facial bruises would also require too much extra work the most i could to is a few minor details like droping the mouth gaurd when close to ko and maybe leaning on the ropes when a knockdown happens at the edge of the ring. The ref is also missing quite a bit of animation but i don't think it will improve the overall experience.
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I understand, but even the "dropping of the mouth" close to the KO is something!

Also, even if was optional, maybe MORE sweat, even blood, (the occasion tooth flying?) are always fun little touches. That makes it sound like I have a blood lust.haha Truthfully that is me just comparing this game to other boxing games and what I think adds to the immersion.

But I think Dcurrent has an excellent suggestion! If you put Foreman/Holyfield/Ali/IronMike/Buster Douglas's head on the bodies, would it be hard just to assign different values to their attack and defense power? Maybe Foreman punches hard BUT is slow AF (pardon my language). Even little changes like that could be fun and I would imagine they are just script changes.

In any case, thank you for entertaining feedback. I love seeing boxing OpenBor games. Fingers crossed for a good wrestling game in the future (maybe a remake of NES Pro-wrestling but reskinned with better gfx?)
 
L K said:
But I think Dcurrent has an excellent suggestion! If you put Foreman/Holyfield/Ali/IronMike/Buster Douglas's head on the bodies, would it be hard just to assign different values to their attack and defense power? Maybe Foreman punches hard BUT is slow AF (pardon my language). Even little changes like that could be fun and I would imagine they are just script changes.
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@msmalik681 already stated he won't be doing any mechnical differences between boxers. I can respect that given the arcade and ports never had any, and it would cost gim tremedous amounts of time.

L K said:
Maybe Foreman punches hard BUT is slow AF (pardon my language).
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You must have mainly watched 90's Foreman. 70's Foreman was a freakin' scary wreaking machine with unholy power, a tank body, and the speed to back it up. Nobody cut the ring off better. Even Ali couldn't stay away (thus the rope-a-dope). His only weakness was burning himself out - and that didn't matter at all until Ali and Jimmy Young exposed him.


DC
 
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