In Progress Streets of Rage 2X By Kratus 2.3.1
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The project is currently under development.
Here's a first level run with the Ninja grunt. It goes without saying most of the enemies are nowhere near effective as the player characters, but there are some exceptions. Ninja is one of them. IMO, he's the best of the grunts and outperforms some of the bosses too. All of his abilities complement each other perfectly to break up crowds and out cheese the bosses. The only thing he lacks is big combos or a rage attack, but his single strike power and grabbing reach let him do respectable damage while playing a hit and run game. Plus he's just a lot of fun to play.
Damon Caskey
Great playthroughs, buddy
I see that you perfectly got the true intention of the playable grunts. In fact, each grunt gives you some kind of "custom difficulty" level, and this is why I maintained all them with your original moveset.
Some new features will be added, like the ability to cancel grabs with "front+special", but I will not change the default structure too much. Even if I create an additional "full moveset version" for each grunt, the original will remain the same for fun.
Mr.Din
Wow, nice to see your feedback Din! Yeah, I got some ideas from SOR4 to make SOR2X more close to the new mechanic. I'm thinking about adding some kind of "SOR4 exceptions" option in future updates and get a few new features like you mentioned. I agree with you about the enemies getting itens, I can add it as an extra menu option in next updates.
Don't forget that everything in SOR2X is at your disposal to help in your projects, if you want. And if you have more suggestions, please let me know.
kimono
Thanks man! Your Streets of Nightmare is an awesome mod. In fact I'm thinking about doing something like a "zombie" mode where you need to fight against a horde of low level enemies, like Galsia and Donovan and need to survive each wave instead of walk through the level. In addition, it will be possible to manage obstacles too. But we can talk about custom modes after the default routes are all added
About the throw / slam editor, you can get it in SOR2X scripts folder v2.2. Look for the "debugs" folder and open the "DEBUG_GRABS". With this tool you can see exactly all position values to be added in the "@cmd position script". You can move the grabbed opponent, change frame, flip, etc. Remember, the script needs to be added in the grabbed entity, not in the grabber. You can use any character as a "sparring" for this purpose.
IlyaNev
Thanks bro. I will take a look in these sprites
Great playthroughs, buddy
I see that you perfectly got the true intention of the playable grunts. In fact, each grunt gives you some kind of "custom difficulty" level, and this is why I maintained all them with your original moveset.
Some new features will be added, like the ability to cancel grabs with "front+special", but I will not change the default structure too much. Even if I create an additional "full moveset version" for each grunt, the original will remain the same for fun.
Mr.Din
Wow, nice to see your feedback Din! Yeah, I got some ideas from SOR4 to make SOR2X more close to the new mechanic. I'm thinking about adding some kind of "SOR4 exceptions" option in future updates and get a few new features like you mentioned. I agree with you about the enemies getting itens, I can add it as an extra menu option in next updates.
Don't forget that everything in SOR2X is at your disposal to help in your projects, if you want. And if you have more suggestions, please let me know.
kimono
Thanks man! Your Streets of Nightmare is an awesome mod. In fact I'm thinking about doing something like a "zombie" mode where you need to fight against a horde of low level enemies, like Galsia and Donovan and need to survive each wave instead of walk through the level. In addition, it will be possible to manage obstacles too. But we can talk about custom modes after the default routes are all added
About the throw / slam editor, you can get it in SOR2X scripts folder v2.2. Look for the "debugs" folder and open the "DEBUG_GRABS". With this tool you can see exactly all position values to be added in the "@cmd position script". You can move the grabbed opponent, change frame, flip, etc. Remember, the script needs to be added in the grabbed entity, not in the grabber. You can use any character as a "sparring" for this purpose.
IlyaNev
Thanks bro. I will take a look in these sprites
Kratus,
If I could suggest anything for Rebellion, it would be allowing selection of Player Characters and AI partners. If you don't want to write NPC routines for all those enemies, just the ability to choose an AI player character would be cool.
Who doesn't want to see Max and Abadade tag teaming against Mr. X's crew?
DC
If I could suggest anything for Rebellion, it would be allowing selection of Player Characters and AI partners. If you don't want to write NPC routines for all those enemies, just the ability to choose an AI player character would be cool.
Who doesn't want to see Max and Abadade tag teaming against Mr. X's crew?
DC
Miru
Well-known member
I think the best solution to the original vs full moveset debate is to add it as an extra menu option of some kind; whether you want the original moveset of an enemy character or the full one. And yes, I do find some of the enemies a fun challenge to play as already. I agree with Damon on the NPC allies thing; I wanna build an army of Nora, Electra, Garnet, and Monalisa.
Damon CaskeyWho doesn't want to see Max and Abadade tag teaming against Mr. X's crew?
Yeah, it will be very cool to see a playthrough like this
. Even if the CPU partner is not selectable at the "select screen" in Rebellion mode, you can also spawn any hero as a partner in-game. When any level starts, open the extra menu, go to "partners", highlight the "spawn" option, change to the desired character and press the "attack" button.EDIT: After all SOR1 content is added, I will make a partner version for every enemy/boss in Rebellion.
Miru
I agree with you buddy. In future updates, now that a custom select screen is possible, I'm planning to add a function to change the character type. Ex: Axel SOR1/2/3, Blaze SOR1/2/3, Galsia "Full" or "Basic", etc
kimono
Well-known member
Nice video Damon Caskey! Would you mind trying the new version of Abadede with some new moves in SOR Nightmare and give me a feedback?
I can send you a the current update by mp if you wish to. I think he's too strong currently and needs some balancing.
I can send you a the current update by mp if you wish to. I think he's too strong currently and needs some balancing.
Damon CaskeyDamon Caskey said:
Very cool as I expected
kimono
Buddy, I didn't understand... You mean that the SOR2X Abadede is unbalanced? It would be cool if you told me some things you didn't like in the game, we can talk about and fix if it is possible
The last balance changes were done in a very detailed way, using a "damage table" as base and following some values carried from the original games. This is why I made the "show damage" feature, you can check that "Abadede" damage is very close to "Max" damage.
Below is a basic version of the damage table I'm using. The characters will not always do exactly these damages because it depends on a few factors like combos, super armor, etc... But it is the real intended damage.
Code:
runat sp1 sp2 air counter super rage w.rage
axel 30 48 84 72 48 72 216 150
blaze 20 32 64 40 32 48 160 192
max 48 64 96 96 64 72 240 192
sammy 16 16 48 32 24 64 96 96
adam 36 48 72 48 48 84 216 192
zan 32 64 80 80 64 48 192 160
barbon 48 48 48 216
jet 64 32 192
zamza 16 32 64 32 160
abadede 64 64 96 256
bear 64 112 240
harakiri96 96 32x3(96) 96 184
particle 80 80 280
shiva 48 48 72 48 198
mrx 40 64
monalisa 32 64 160
break 30 48 84 48 72 216
yamato 72 72 72 144
robot x 80 100 270
rocket 32/48 16 32x3 160
shivabot48 48 84 48 210
neo x 40 90 80 100x3
tracker 16 80 64 144Kratus said:kimono
Buddy, I didn't understand... You mean that the SOR2X Abadede is unbalanced? It would be cool if you told me some things you didn't like in the game, we can talk about and fix if it is possible
I think that he was talking about his custom abadede (with new moves) from Sor 2x nightmare mod.
pepodmcpepodmc said:Kratus said:kimono
Buddy, I didn't understand... You mean that the SOR2X Abadede is unbalanced? It would be cool if you told me some things you didn't like in the game, we can talk about and fix if it is possible
I think that he was talking about his custom abadede (with new moves) from Sor 2x nightmare mod.
Yeah, it's true. I thought that he was making a new Abadede because the default one is unbalanced. Let's wait for him to confirm, kimono I apologize if I'm wrong, sorry for the confusion.
Anyway, maybe the table can help him to adjust his new Abadede, or any other character.
O Ilusionista
Captain 100K
I think abadede needs to be a tad broken. Take a look at the size of that guy...
And I think he needs to be even stronger than Max.
And I think he needs to be even stronger than Max.
O Ilusionista,O Ilusionista said:
Take a closer look. Abadede looks taller, but only because Max rarely stands erect. His arms are a little bigger, but body size is the same and Abadede skips leg day. He might beat Max arm wrestling, but in total body strength Max will crush him.
Max isn't just stronger, he's clearly the more intelligent and technical wrestler too. Abadede is just like the guy they based him on: The Ultimate Warrior. Only a couple of moves, but insanely fast, high energy, runs in and just bum rushes everybody. Max is slow, methodical, has to work his way in, but once he gets hold of you... game over.
You see this reflected in the original game. Abadede's maximum single hit output is 32HP. Max's is 70, and that's not even his strongest move. For a more direct comparison, look at their identical German Suplex. Abadede: 32, Max: 64. Even when you account for player characters having generally higher damage output than enemies, Max is obviously meant to be the more powerful wrestler. But Abadede gets in to land his a lot easier with his speed and better striking.
I think the way SOR2X Abadede plays now works great. He's fast and furious, like he should be. He got a damage boost, but Max is still capable of doing a lot more. The only really unbalanced thing I could find is his clothesline. After the inititial swing when he's still recovering it remains fully invincible and still has an active hitbox. That's a bit unfair. Elsewise he's good to go.
I just want to have a human controllable Max and Abadede at once. Come on Kratus, add the player characters to rebellion mode!
DC
kimono
Well-known member
Thank you Kratus, the enemy version of Abadede completed is good, but the playable Abadede is a true bulldozer .
Currently, I understand better why I'm having some problems to transfer datas from SOR2X1.6 to SOR2X 2.2, some scripts are renamed and the scripts commands are case sensitive.
Ex: 1.6 @landframe -> 2.2 @landFrame
1.6 @landsafe -> 2.2 @landSafe
1.6 @spawnbind -> 2.2 @spawnBind
1.6 @finish -> 2.2 @slam
1.6 @shooterB -> 2.2 @shootB
1.6 @antiwall -> 2.2 @antiWall
1.6 @throweap -> 2.2 @ThrowWeapon
Here you can encounter and play with all SOR1 bosses:
- Antonio
- Souther
- Bongo (maybye needs an attack combo with higher damage)
- Abadede (too powerful here )
- the Inu and Yasha sisters (I'm working on their transformation currently)
The Thriller character is playable too, but still in beta version. Please be indulgent, this is just a demo for testing purposes
:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lQKbA04Nd-BcqWU-ud11CgnXGLH7L0wW/view?usp=sharing
I'll be glad if you guys, help me to balance these SOR1 bosses.
Damon Caskey: The dream team for SOR Nightmare would be playing as Moonwalker and Thriller as NPC ally.
.Currently, I understand better why I'm having some problems to transfer datas from SOR2X1.6 to SOR2X 2.2, some scripts are renamed and the scripts commands are case sensitive.
Ex: 1.6 @landframe -> 2.2 @landFrame
1.6 @landsafe -> 2.2 @landSafe
1.6 @spawnbind -> 2.2 @spawnBind
1.6 @finish -> 2.2 @slam
1.6 @shooterB -> 2.2 @shootB
1.6 @antiwall -> 2.2 @antiWall
1.6 @throweap -> 2.2 @ThrowWeapon
Here you can encounter and play with all SOR1 bosses:
- Antonio
- Souther
- Bongo (maybye needs an attack combo with higher damage)
- Abadede (too powerful here
)- the Inu and Yasha sisters (I'm working on their transformation currently)
The Thriller character is playable too, but still in beta version. Please be indulgent, this is just a demo for testing purposes
:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lQKbA04Nd-BcqWU-ud11CgnXGLH7L0wW/view?usp=sharing
I'll be glad if you guys, help me to balance these SOR1 bosses
.Damon Caskey: The dream team for SOR Nightmare would be playing as Moonwalker and Thriller as NPC ally
.Kratus said:
After you finish adding the sor 1 route, can you add a new menu for customs routes similar to the sormaker one?
As i told you before, i plan in the future (if im able to) to make routes for Sor 2x of:
Cadillacs and Dinosaurs
Captain Commando
The Punisher
Knights of the Round
And i think that would be great if we can have a menu to select different custom routes to play, so if i or other users want to add new routes, we can add it to the base Sor 2x.
Miru
Well-known member
Kratus said:
For the enemies, I could see both a "game version" select where applicable and a "moveset" select, so Electra would be SOR2/3, then "Basic" or "Full", so it would open up more roster slots for 4/scrapped/8bit/Remake/custom enemies to the roster.
I also wonder why Jack is the first "boss" in survival, whereas other subbosses are treated as fodder? Shouldn't Jack also be fodder? There could be an option whether or not to include subbosses as bosses or fodder. I also noticed that only Onihime and Yasha appear as a pair in Survival. Should there be an option to have Particle/Molecule and Bruce and Roo as pairs too?
16-bit Fighter
Active member
Kratus
Have you made some test about Axel's smart palette? It's just to know because I'd like to tell you I plan to make Max's but not in a defined date (at less before 2022). So the day you know when you release the next update (and keep in mind, please, I'm not trying to make you under pressure ^^), I could make my progress faster in order the smart palette to be ready at the right time (if it's before 2022 lol).
Have you made some test about Axel's smart palette? It's just to know because I'd like to tell you I plan to make Max's but not in a defined date (at less before 2022). So the day you know when you release the next update (and keep in mind, please, I'm not trying to make you under pressure ^^), I could make my progress faster in order the smart palette to be ready at the right time (if it's before 2022 lol).
Here's my playthrough o the latest version 2.2 bro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu4bVLYRpcE
I did it on normal difficulty with a CPU partner should of put it on a higher difficulty lol!! Also i showcase the newer stages the SOR2 Game Gear Tracker stage as well as the SOR biker stage!! Do you have any plans on doing the same thing that the newest version of Remake did with the biker stage with having the option to walk through the whole stage and beat the enemies, it would be cool if you could!!
While on the Dr. Zero fight I noticed the CPU partner isn't able to dodge the laser, the partner keeps running into it even if you use the call button, you can see that here:
https://youtu.be/vu4bVLYRpcE?t=3145
I lost a few lives because of that!!
Other than that good work bro, looking forward to seeing what else you can come up with for us!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu4bVLYRpcE
I did it on normal difficulty with a CPU partner should of put it on a higher difficulty lol!! Also i showcase the newer stages the SOR2 Game Gear Tracker stage as well as the SOR biker stage!! Do you have any plans on doing the same thing that the newest version of Remake did with the biker stage with having the option to walk through the whole stage and beat the enemies, it would be cool if you could!!
While on the Dr. Zero fight I noticed the CPU partner isn't able to dodge the laser, the partner keeps running into it even if you use the call button, you can see that here:
https://youtu.be/vu4bVLYRpcE?t=3145
I lost a few lives because of that!!
Other than that good work bro, looking forward to seeing what else you can come up with for us!